1 00:00:03,139 --> 00:00:02,360 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,220 --> 00:00:03,149 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,230 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:09,650 --> 00:00:07,290 Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 6 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:09,660 involve aliens at all it was completely 7 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:13,200 silent it comes right over our head it's 8 00:00:18,019 --> 00:00:16,440 so classic flying-saucer really standing 9 00:00:19,580 --> 00:00:18,029 in the clearing he turned over to my 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:19,590 father and held his hand and he looked 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:28,070 welcome to podcast UFO for our live show 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:30,810 we're live every Wednesday at 8 p.m. 13 00:00:36,170 --> 00:00:33,690 Eastern Standard Time on podcast UFO 14 00:00:38,209 --> 00:00:36,180 calm during the show feel free to 15 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:38,219 participate live in our chat room and 16 00:00:44,420 --> 00:00:40,710 don't forget to Like us on our very 17 00:00:46,010 --> 00:00:44,430 active Facebook page hello and welcome 18 00:00:48,860 --> 00:00:46,020 to the show I'm Martin will assure host 19 00:00:50,299 --> 00:00:48,870 the guests this evening is engineer 20 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:50,309 inventor Wilbur 21 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:52,980 Allen and he's no stranger to UFO 22 00:00:58,459 --> 00:00:55,680 encounters he's also a former White 23 00:01:01,010 --> 00:00:58,469 House Air Force one engineer for ABC 24 00:01:04,399 --> 00:01:01,020 News I'm not sure exactly what that is 25 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:04,409 but we'll talk about that and a contract 26 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:07,470 photographer for National Geographic but 27 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:10,200 before our guests I have Alejandro Rojas 28 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:12,600 coming up with the UFO news and we're 29 00:01:17,929 --> 00:01:14,070 going to talk about the conference as 30 00:01:20,149 --> 00:01:17,939 well our shows are live here every 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:20,159 Wednesday well except last week and I'll 32 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:22,530 talk about that in a second on podcast 33 00:01:27,890 --> 00:01:25,890 UFO calm and as a podcast on the same 34 00:01:30,380 --> 00:01:27,900 site we also run in the Dark Matter 35 00:01:33,140 --> 00:01:30,390 digital network at 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. 36 00:01:36,530 --> 00:01:33,150 Eastern Standard Time and that's on 37 00:01:39,550 --> 00:01:36,540 Thursdays so if you want to listen on 38 00:01:42,590 --> 00:01:39,560 Thursdays you can go over to there and 39 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:42,600 the UFO Congress was absolutely great 40 00:01:47,660 --> 00:01:44,340 I'm going to be talking to Alejandro 41 00:01:49,940 --> 00:01:47,670 about that in just a minute I've got to 42 00:01:52,999 --> 00:01:49,950 talk to a lot of listeners I hung out 43 00:01:55,910 --> 00:01:53,009 with some pretty cool ones had a great 44 00:01:57,620 --> 00:01:55,920 time except for one guy from Canada who 45 00:02:01,249 --> 00:01:57,630 shook my hand and said he just got over 46 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:01,259 a virus and I forgive you James if 47 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:03,570 that's how I actually caught this but on 48 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:06,540 the way home going across country I came 49 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:09,030 down with a pretty bad fire so I still 50 00:02:13,570 --> 00:02:11,760 have a bit of it and I could not run the 51 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:13,580 show last week I do apologize 52 00:02:18,340 --> 00:02:15,200 to all my listeners for not being able 53 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:18,350 to do that I was very careful driving 54 00:02:22,570 --> 00:02:20,000 across country though I told people in 55 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:22,580 hotels and stores to stay away from me 56 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:26,330 and all that however I did forget to 57 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:29,210 tell that to the police officer in Texas 58 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:32,810 that pulled me over for a 60 in a 45 59 00:02:36,970 --> 00:02:35,240 mile an hour gave me a ticket and I 60 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:36,980 shook his hand and said I'm sorry we 61 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:39,410 didn't meet under better circumstances 62 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:42,770 I am joking of course well don't forget 63 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:44,210 the show is always a hundred percent 64 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:47,330 free if you listen here live and the 65 00:02:53,590 --> 00:02:50,180 first hour is always free on podcast UFO 66 00:02:55,330 --> 00:02:53,600 calm and how you doin Alejandro I'm 67 00:02:57,910 --> 00:02:55,340 doing good how are you doing good I 68 00:03:00,100 --> 00:02:57,920 understand I wasn't the only one sick at 69 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:00,110 the conference but you managed to escape 70 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:00,770 it somehow 71 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:03,650 I asked well you know what it is what 72 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:06,410 and and I do believe this and that is 73 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:10,400 that meditation practices have helped me 74 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:13,250 and and I used to get the flu every year 75 00:03:16,690 --> 00:03:14,690 you know sick a couple times like 76 00:03:18,370 --> 00:03:16,700 everybody else but like I would say 77 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:18,380 about 15 years ago or something when I 78 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:20,690 really got into meditation and and I 79 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:23,000 tried different practices and everything 80 00:03:26,860 --> 00:03:24,980 until I kind of came up with my own way 81 00:03:31,540 --> 00:03:26,870 of doing it when I was able to finally 82 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:31,550 like relax really relax I got sick less 83 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:35,209 and I don't think it's a necessarily a 84 00:03:39,130 --> 00:03:37,130 spiritual type of thing I think it's 85 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:39,140 just that you know there is a science if 86 00:03:47,530 --> 00:03:42,290 you're able to really release your 87 00:03:49,509 --> 00:03:47,540 stresses and anxieties you know and get 88 00:03:52,780 --> 00:03:49,519 you know all that adrenaline out of you 89 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:52,790 it allows your body to heal itself 90 00:03:59,500 --> 00:03:56,450 better well and so I just like I if I 91 00:04:03,880 --> 00:03:59,510 feel something coming on my top priority 92 00:04:06,130 --> 00:04:03,890 is resting and relaxing and and you know 93 00:04:09,130 --> 00:04:06,140 my theory is it's better to do that for 94 00:04:12,370 --> 00:04:09,140 you know a few hours or go to bed early 95 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:12,380 or have an evening to relax and rest 96 00:04:17,949 --> 00:04:14,480 then to be sick for several days so 97 00:04:20,530 --> 00:04:17,959 that's really work for me because I'm 98 00:04:23,020 --> 00:04:20,540 just so busy all the time that I don't 99 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:23,030 have time to well I totally understand 100 00:04:27,370 --> 00:04:26,210 that and when I was driving I had to 101 00:04:31,060 --> 00:04:27,380 keep driving because 102 00:04:34,270 --> 00:04:31,070 was 2700 miles for me to get back home 103 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:34,280 and I actually started feeling better 104 00:04:40,030 --> 00:04:37,610 the second day like 24 hours in and then 105 00:04:43,330 --> 00:04:40,040 I pushed it until driving another like 106 00:04:45,460 --> 00:04:43,340 10 hours that day and I totally relapsed 107 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:45,470 I was like the height temperature again 108 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:48,020 and all I wanted to do was stay in a 109 00:04:53,230 --> 00:04:49,850 hotel for a couple of days that I didn't 110 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:53,240 have that ability to do that but anyway 111 00:04:57,580 --> 00:04:55,430 feeling a bit better and I gotta tell 112 00:05:00,850 --> 00:04:57,590 you that was one heck of a show you put 113 00:05:02,770 --> 00:05:00,860 on out there yeah you know everything 114 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:02,780 went really well you know before the 115 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:04,850 conference happens I tell everybody how 116 00:05:09,190 --> 00:05:06,410 great it's gonna be it's gonna be 117 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:09,200 amazing but I don't know that for sure 118 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:11,210 and in fact in the back of my mind I'm 119 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:13,760 like I hope that it's gonna be really 120 00:05:18,370 --> 00:05:16,400 good I don't know if like you know 121 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:18,380 because in the evenings you know you 122 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:20,450 probably saw this there's there's some 123 00:05:24,970 --> 00:05:23,210 people relaxing and having fun and and 124 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:24,980 they have a few drinks and I don't know 125 00:05:29,950 --> 00:05:27,830 if there's gonna be like a brawl and you 126 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:29,960 know Thursday night all did most of 127 00:05:33,370 --> 00:05:31,550 speakers are gonna get in a fight and 128 00:05:35,290 --> 00:05:33,380 then you know go home the next day or 129 00:05:35,950 --> 00:05:35,300 something you never know what's gonna 130 00:05:39,190 --> 00:05:35,960 happen 131 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:39,200 so it's a very tense thing and and you 132 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:41,630 probably noticed I'm like at the 133 00:05:47,260 --> 00:05:44,930 conference my attention is completely on 134 00:05:49,450 --> 00:05:47,270 the conference whenever anybody mmhmm 135 00:05:50,890 --> 00:05:49,460 yeah and it's still fun you still pop in 136 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:50,900 and say hi how's it going it's tough 137 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:53,090 yeah I try to say hi and I apologize to 138 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:55,990 anybody who I I just if I was in a a 139 00:06:01,000 --> 00:05:58,970 haze and you tried to say hi and I just 140 00:06:03,130 --> 00:06:01,010 wasn't there it's just because I'm just 141 00:06:05,530 --> 00:06:03,140 hypersensitive about the things going on 142 00:06:07,750 --> 00:06:05,540 so until the conference is over I'm able 143 00:06:09,790 --> 00:06:07,760 to review it I don't really you know 144 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:09,800 then I can sit and say hey it went 145 00:06:15,010 --> 00:06:11,840 pretty well and it did go really well 146 00:06:16,930 --> 00:06:15,020 and of course Jacques valet was 147 00:06:20,890 --> 00:06:16,940 incredible I felt Doug Trumbull was 148 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:20,900 incredible Emily trim oh yeah I mean 149 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:23,330 that was so cool this this witness from 150 00:06:29,620 --> 00:06:25,070 the Rue wine counter you know we talked 151 00:06:30,970 --> 00:06:29,630 about it before that came across that 152 00:06:34,420 --> 00:06:30,980 worked out better than I could have 153 00:06:37,450 --> 00:06:34,430 hoped well there wasn't a dry eye in the 154 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:37,460 house when she told her story yeah 155 00:06:44,980 --> 00:06:40,910 including I mean I have to say it was 156 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:44,990 absolutely amazing and I was I was 157 00:06:49,780 --> 00:06:47,360 honored to be able to talk to her 158 00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:49,790 and she was just a real sweet girl it 159 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:52,460 was really really nice I was kind of 160 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:54,260 blown away and that's the Ariel school 161 00:06:59,770 --> 00:06:57,710 for the listener mm-hmm that is not 162 00:07:02,500 --> 00:06:59,780 familiar with the something you want to 163 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:02,510 google and check out Randy Nickerson was 164 00:07:06,610 --> 00:07:03,950 there I always have great fun with him 165 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:06,620 he's a good guy doing a wonderful job on 166 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:08,270 that movie and that's that's getting 167 00:07:12,250 --> 00:07:09,680 closer all the time we're gonna have 168 00:07:14,170 --> 00:07:12,260 Randy on the show here hopefully with 169 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:14,180 Emily as well she said she'd like to be 170 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:16,880 on but she's under a contract a 171 00:07:22,270 --> 00:07:19,970 non-disclosure contract for now until 172 00:07:24,750 --> 00:07:22,280 the movies released so I'm not sure 173 00:07:27,610 --> 00:07:24,760 exactly how much she can say or not say 174 00:07:29,230 --> 00:07:27,620 yeah well I had her on for a little bit 175 00:07:32,490 --> 00:07:29,240 she was kind of a surprise guest when I 176 00:07:35,530 --> 00:07:32,500 had Luigi been to telly on who is a 177 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:35,540 Canadian researcher who presented with 178 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:38,090 her and who also did a great job he's 179 00:07:41,770 --> 00:07:40,130 aged he's a natural I mean he hasn't 180 00:07:45,130 --> 00:07:41,780 done very many presentations like this 181 00:07:47,620 --> 00:07:45,140 but he was great his pacing was good he 182 00:07:49,870 --> 00:07:47,630 was social bull he was funny he was 183 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:49,880 really good so I was happy about that 184 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:53,120 yeah but yeah Sam moranto chased klett 185 00:07:58,330 --> 00:07:55,310 ski you know yeah people love the 186 00:07:59,860 --> 00:07:58,340 abduction panel even the skeptics I 187 00:08:02,370 --> 00:07:59,870 think were felt it was interesting to 188 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:02,380 have all of these experts you know 189 00:08:08,260 --> 00:08:04,610 discussing their their differences of 190 00:08:11,140 --> 00:08:08,270 opinions about the phenomena or their 191 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:11,150 their perceptions of the phenomena so it 192 00:08:15,820 --> 00:08:13,430 went really well I mean we work really 193 00:08:18,190 --> 00:08:15,830 hard at having it be a great event and I 194 00:08:19,780 --> 00:08:18,200 don't know personally and maybe because 195 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:19,790 it I put it together and luckily we get 196 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:22,220 lots of feedback but I do feel it's a 197 00:08:27,130 --> 00:08:24,050 heads above anything else out there 198 00:08:30,550 --> 00:08:27,140 yeah the only the only you and I talked 199 00:08:33,820 --> 00:08:30,560 about this briefly the only part I 200 00:08:36,070 --> 00:08:33,830 thought was a little bit how do I say it 201 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:36,080 I wasn't all that impressed with was the 202 00:08:40,570 --> 00:08:38,570 the hybrids and I don't know what type 203 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:40,580 of feedback you've gotten from that or 204 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:43,610 if you even do get feedback I do get 205 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:45,350 feedback and this is what's funny 206 00:08:49,690 --> 00:08:48,110 because there's certainly you know we 207 00:08:51,690 --> 00:08:49,700 try to I always take say this we try to 208 00:08:54,579 --> 00:08:51,700 present the field the entire field and 209 00:08:55,030 --> 00:08:54,589 Barbara lambs talk is what you're 210 00:08:57,340 --> 00:08:55,040 referring 211 00:09:00,790 --> 00:08:57,350 - I love Barbara Lam as a person she's 212 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:00,800 awesome in it and she's a therapist 213 00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:02,480 she's a marriage and family therapist so 214 00:09:07,509 --> 00:09:04,160 you have to have a master's to get that 215 00:09:11,019 --> 00:09:07,519 she is you know to see you do she's got 216 00:09:13,269 --> 00:09:11,029 a lot of education and experience but 217 00:09:15,370 --> 00:09:13,279 yeah she brought on these people several 218 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:15,380 people who believe they are hybrid 219 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:19,970 aliens and they told their stories you 220 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:22,930 know of course I like to stick to facts 221 00:09:27,879 --> 00:09:25,910 we I think you definitely can't prove 222 00:09:30,939 --> 00:09:27,889 any of these people are what they they 223 00:09:34,300 --> 00:09:30,949 are it's interesting that they believe 224 00:09:35,530 --> 00:09:34,310 this about themselves so it's 225 00:09:39,850 --> 00:09:35,540 interesting to hear what they have to 226 00:09:41,199 --> 00:09:39,860 say i it's hard for me to say oh yeah 227 00:09:44,499 --> 00:09:41,209 you know I think they definitely are 228 00:09:45,939 --> 00:09:44,509 heart bred hybrids or something but but 229 00:09:49,809 --> 00:09:45,949 you know the feedback there's a few 230 00:09:51,790 --> 00:09:49,819 people like you and others you know who 231 00:09:53,079 --> 00:09:51,800 are like well you know they're great 232 00:09:57,129 --> 00:09:53,089 people I don't know if they're really 233 00:09:58,689 --> 00:09:57,139 hybrids but the vast majority of people 234 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:58,699 and this is what could they just loved 235 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:00,800 it there were like oh my god amazing 236 00:10:05,889 --> 00:10:03,380 hybrids and I think that was probably 237 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:05,899 the best selling DVD we had I don't 238 00:10:10,750 --> 00:10:07,940 doubt it you know I mean people were 239 00:10:13,059 --> 00:10:10,760 standing up and applauding yeah and I 240 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:13,069 was scratching my head but that was you 241 00:10:16,509 --> 00:10:14,510 know it's someone claiming that they're 242 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:16,519 a hybrid and then they show pictures 243 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:20,690 drawings of their children or how they 244 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:22,910 look on other planets and I'm thinking 245 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:25,490 you know most people would have pictures 246 00:10:29,740 --> 00:10:28,010 of I don't know I don't I didn't buy it 247 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:29,750 I just got to tell you that I didn't buy 248 00:10:36,129 --> 00:10:32,569 any of it but yeah I don't know that any 249 00:10:38,050 --> 00:10:36,139 of those yeah I I guess I would say this 250 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:38,060 we gave Barbara lamb to Lifetime 251 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:39,800 Achievement Award this was a 25th 252 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:42,319 anniversary of the UFO Congress she's 253 00:10:47,710 --> 00:10:45,050 been to every one she's so sweet she is 254 00:10:49,990 --> 00:10:47,720 like she is an important presence at 255 00:10:52,749 --> 00:10:50,000 that conference and I believe she does 256 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:52,759 honest work I believe that you know she 257 00:10:58,449 --> 00:10:55,910 is honest that when she feels that this 258 00:11:00,040 --> 00:10:58,459 is what she's finding this is what she 259 00:11:02,949 --> 00:11:00,050 believes I don't think she's trying to 260 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:02,959 be deceptive or trying to she's not an 261 00:11:07,940 --> 00:11:05,569 egotist who's just trying to promote her 262 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:07,950 work or try to get famous like 263 00:11:15,890 --> 00:11:11,490 others in this field who you know we we 264 00:11:19,580 --> 00:11:15,900 know of and so she believes you know 265 00:11:21,170 --> 00:11:19,590 what she's doing so yeah it is it is one 266 00:11:23,540 --> 00:11:21,180 of those things where it's really fringe 267 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:23,550 it's it's further outside of the bounds 268 00:11:30,950 --> 00:11:27,650 of the kind of the area I dabble in but 269 00:11:32,930 --> 00:11:30,960 well you know most people like to listen 270 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:32,940 to this part too to hear us talk about 271 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:34,650 UFO news but I think I'm gonna have to 272 00:11:37,550 --> 00:11:36,090 tell the listener we're gonna have to 273 00:11:39,140 --> 00:11:37,560 put that on hold for a week because I 274 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:39,150 think you know we don't have a lot of 275 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:41,010 time left here and I know but I got 276 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:46,650 great news okay you want to jump into a 277 00:11:51,650 --> 00:11:49,050 story already then yeah I mean there's 278 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:51,660 some really good stories lately one of 279 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:54,090 the stories this one hasn't been 280 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:56,480 confirmed but it's got some interesting 281 00:12:00,260 --> 00:11:57,810 aspects to it 282 00:12:03,470 --> 00:12:00,270 in that there's this maybe petty officer 283 00:12:06,410 --> 00:12:03,480 he's retired he was in the Navy he 284 00:12:09,550 --> 00:12:06,420 worked at this base in California for a 285 00:12:14,180 --> 00:12:09,560 period of time he says that he was 286 00:12:17,420 --> 00:12:14,190 responsible for farming out UFO FILES to 287 00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:17,430 defense contractors and that he saw in 288 00:12:22,970 --> 00:12:19,680 these files evidence of UFOs and aliens 289 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:22,980 he has talked to Nick Pope he submitted 290 00:12:28,670 --> 00:12:25,410 this story to MUFON they've interviewed 291 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:28,680 him Nick owned or move on have said hey 292 00:12:33,350 --> 00:12:30,630 we we've confirmed this guy's the real 293 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:33,360 deal yet but Nick says you know so far 294 00:12:36,830 --> 00:12:34,530 he's looking interesting that the 295 00:12:38,750 --> 00:12:36,840 verbage and and everything seems very 296 00:12:40,340 --> 00:12:38,760 authentic so he's looking into that I 297 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:40,350 have some quotes from Nick on the story 298 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:43,470 also a UK paper got ahold of them and 299 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:45,480 they asked him well where are these 300 00:12:48,980 --> 00:12:46,770 files and he said well you know those 301 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:48,990 are top-secret I couldn't take those but 302 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:50,880 he just said he decided to come out 303 00:12:58,250 --> 00:12:54,170 because he believes is like 25 years 304 00:13:00,170 --> 00:12:58,260 secrecy agreement has expired and it's 305 00:13:01,940 --> 00:13:00,180 okay for him to say something and that 306 00:13:04,670 --> 00:13:01,950 he believes that the government should 307 00:13:07,790 --> 00:13:04,680 talk about these files so this is kind 308 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:07,800 of interesting it's I mean if everything 309 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:10,890 checks out which Nick and and movement 310 00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:13,260 are looking into they would be able to 311 00:13:16,430 --> 00:13:15,120 verify his background I don't know that 312 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:16,440 they'll be able to prove all of his 313 00:13:21,780 --> 00:13:19,230 statements but that that's shaping up to 314 00:13:24,450 --> 00:13:21,790 be something interesting yeah otherwise 315 00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:24,460 the political front Ben Hansen has done 316 00:13:28,620 --> 00:13:26,500 another analysis oh yeah it's on our 317 00:13:32,070 --> 00:13:28,630 website yeah yeah so it's funny because 318 00:13:33,690 --> 00:13:32,080 you know Obama this conversation with 319 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:33,700 this little girl that Obama had on The 320 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:35,650 Ellen DeGeneres Show a couple weeks ago 321 00:13:41,850 --> 00:13:40,240 only was like a minute long but bent 322 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:41,860 able to put together a 20 minute 323 00:13:47,130 --> 00:13:44,170 analysis where again he feels like you 324 00:13:51,180 --> 00:13:47,140 know maybe Obama's changing his tactic 325 00:13:52,980 --> 00:13:51,190 about tackling the UFO topic I'm not so 326 00:13:56,190 --> 00:13:52,990 sure I think his tactic is to be funny 327 00:13:58,110 --> 00:13:56,200 and silly and so there is no like you 328 00:13:59,940 --> 00:13:58,120 know idea of well I'm gonna tell him the 329 00:14:01,620 --> 00:13:59,950 sir I'm gonna tell him that Ben feels 330 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:01,630 differently and he feels like he can 331 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:03,610 show prove that in his analysis so 332 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:05,530 people can take a look and see what they 333 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:07,660 they think of that but I think the most 334 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:09,850 exciting is something released today 335 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:14,710 from the i-team klas Las Vegas George 336 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:17,770 Knapp is part of this group and he is 337 00:14:22,410 --> 00:14:20,890 put together the story but it was a one 338 00:14:25,350 --> 00:14:22,420 of his colleagues that interviewed 339 00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:25,360 Podesta who of course is Hillary 340 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:28,030 Clinton's campaign manager who was a UFO 341 00:14:33,450 --> 00:14:30,730 enthusiast and they asked him about UFOs 342 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:33,460 and Podesta for the past year has been 343 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:38,470 tweeting about UFOs and and but people 344 00:14:42,060 --> 00:14:39,790 were not sure and they assumed he was 345 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:42,070 joking around but in this interview you 346 00:14:47,250 --> 00:14:43,690 know you could see he's very serious 347 00:14:50,700 --> 00:14:47,260 about the topics of UFOs and and the 348 00:14:52,260 --> 00:14:50,710 declassification of UFO FILES so it's 349 00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:52,270 really cool that finally someone that 350 00:14:57,980 --> 00:14:54,270 was able to do a video interview with 351 00:15:00,510 --> 00:14:57,990 him and talk to him on the topic so 352 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:00,520 we've got these stories that more at 353 00:15:04,950 --> 00:15:02,080 open mind stat TV 354 00:15:05,190 --> 00:15:04,960 saw George post that on his Facebook 355 00:15:09,180 --> 00:15:05,200 page 356 00:15:11,220 --> 00:15:09,190 yesterday and yeah so is that I do you 357 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:11,230 actually have the video of that is that 358 00:15:15,510 --> 00:15:13,000 on YouTube or anything do you know it's 359 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:15,520 not on YouTube it's on their site so I 360 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:18,910 have a link to I have a summary of what 361 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:21,310 happened with some other commentary and 362 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:23,770 then a link to it because unfortunately 363 00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:26,560 and I've got a I'm gonna go on their 364 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:28,660 Facebook and complain a little bit they 365 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:30,880 don't let you embed their videos I'm 366 00:15:34,660 --> 00:15:32,410 just kind of frustrating cuz everybody 367 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:34,670 let you embed their videos they still 368 00:15:38,530 --> 00:15:36,710 traffic from it yeah so you get traffic 369 00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:38,540 and it just gets really popular and it 370 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:40,160 goes more viral I think it's a good 371 00:15:46,270 --> 00:15:43,520 thing to allow that but so I have a link 372 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:46,280 to it I see but unfortunately I wasn't 373 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:48,770 able to embed it in the story all right 374 00:15:53,770 --> 00:15:51,560 very good alejandro well again thanks so 375 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:53,780 much for your hospitality out there it 376 00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:55,790 was just a wonderful time and I got to 377 00:16:01,090 --> 00:15:58,880 tell you that Resort is just like living 378 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:01,100 in heaven it's a wonderful place it's 379 00:16:04,990 --> 00:16:03,560 gorgeous and I'm super happy that you 380 00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:05,000 were able to make it because for the 381 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:07,040 longest time you hadn't been to one of 382 00:16:10,570 --> 00:16:08,450 the Congress's or you were able to come 383 00:16:12,070 --> 00:16:10,580 by for a little while but I'm really 384 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:12,080 happy I mean that's what I get really 385 00:16:16,030 --> 00:16:13,610 excited about too because we work so 386 00:16:18,450 --> 00:16:16,040 hard that for everybody have a good time 387 00:16:21,310 --> 00:16:18,460 and it for it to be a really classy 388 00:16:23,260 --> 00:16:21,320 professional event so it's really 389 00:16:27,310 --> 00:16:23,270 exciting when my friends or listeners 390 00:16:28,990 --> 00:16:27,320 get to come and enjoy that and I'm 391 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:29,000 really happy you were there and too bad 392 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:32,210 there wasn't any brawls but that's a 393 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:33,010 good thing 394 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:35,930 before and I was only kidding now 395 00:16:38,950 --> 00:16:37,850 walking through seeing you know Travis 396 00:16:41,470 --> 00:16:38,960 Walton and a bunch of people playing 397 00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:41,480 guitar and just just hanging out 398 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:43,580 listening to the music that was so so 399 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:45,290 wonderful yeah people can check the 400 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:47,300 International UFO Congress Facebook and 401 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,770 we've got lots of pictures and a few 402 00:16:51,010 --> 00:16:50,480 videos in a video of exactly what you're 403 00:16:52,990 --> 00:16:51,020 talking about 404 00:16:54,700 --> 00:16:53,000 Travis playing some music on it with his 405 00:16:56,170 --> 00:16:54,710 guitar all right all right 406 00:16:58,420 --> 00:16:56,180 Alejandro I'll be talking to you next 407 00:16:59,830 --> 00:16:58,430 week all right talk to you soon buddy 408 00:17:01,540 --> 00:16:59,840 all right everyone so hang in there 409 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:01,550 we'll be right back after the music 410 00:17:13,569 --> 00:17:04,480 break with Wilbur Allen 411 00:18:13,160 --> 00:17:25,819 [Music] 412 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:13,170 hello hello Wilbur how are you welcome 413 00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:16,290 to the show good how are you doing great 414 00:18:22,580 --> 00:18:20,160 doing great so I know you're a real 415 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:22,590 trouper because you are doing on show 416 00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:25,170 after us tonight two shows in one day 417 00:18:32,020 --> 00:18:28,080 amazing can you tell our listening 418 00:18:36,380 --> 00:18:32,030 audience who is Wilbur Allen and 419 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:36,390 basically your background and I've read 420 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:38,760 quite a bit about what what you've done 421 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:40,890 and I want to talk about your 422 00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:42,840 photography and all that but if you 423 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:47,070 would just give your background I am the 424 00:18:53,660 --> 00:18:50,730 son of United States Air Force parents I 425 00:18:55,340 --> 00:18:53,670 was raised on US military bases all my 426 00:18:57,580 --> 00:18:55,350 life so I'm the product of the 427 00:19:01,700 --> 00:18:57,590 Department of Defense 428 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:01,710 I'm a former White House Air Force one 429 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:05,690 marine to engineer and my background is 430 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:08,850 aircraft engineering optical physics and 431 00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:12,210 photography when you say are you saying 432 00:19:18,170 --> 00:19:15,030 you actually worked on the Air Force One 433 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:18,180 itself I worked on Air Force one as an 434 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:21,570 engineer for Ronald Reagan and George 435 00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:23,130 Bush I see 436 00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:25,200 now does that does that mean like in you 437 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:27,360 know taking care of the craft that type 438 00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:30,470 of thing although I was more engineering 439 00:19:37,220 --> 00:19:34,140 with the president in terms of whatever 440 00:19:40,610 --> 00:19:37,230 he needed especially when they went live 441 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:40,620 for a television or for radio oh I made 442 00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:43,830 sure that whatever that was there was 443 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:48,180 directly connected so he was live at 444 00:19:53,540 --> 00:19:51,330 every spot that we went to I got it I 445 00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:53,550 got it I was trying to figure that out 446 00:19:58,190 --> 00:19:56,040 when I saw that earlier exactly what 447 00:20:00,320 --> 00:19:58,200 that that job entailed well that must 448 00:20:03,710 --> 00:20:00,330 have been very interesting and an 449 00:20:06,110 --> 00:20:03,720 interesting job it was indeed right sort 450 00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:06,120 of interrupting you here so you can go 451 00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:07,760 ahead and continue 452 00:20:15,010 --> 00:20:10,500 well no after that after I left the 453 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:17,870 taken on some jobs freelancing and one 454 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:20,910 of those jobs was with record label in 455 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:22,890 New York called Def Jam Records and they 456 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:25,260 hired me to do a album cover for an 457 00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:29,010 artist which came to Washington and we 458 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:31,260 started filming around Washington DC and 459 00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:34,110 the last spot we filmed was at the US 460 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:36,150 Capitol building and at the US Capitol 461 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:39,450 building we all had a close encounter of 462 00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:42,660 the fifth kind in which an object came 463 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:45,720 out of the sky and entity of some sort 464 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:48,810 exited the craft and it made contact 465 00:20:52,790 --> 00:20:51,510 with us and then it took off this was 466 00:20:57,290 --> 00:20:52,800 right in front of the Capitol building 467 00:20:59,210 --> 00:20:57,300 in front of the Capitol building Wow now 468 00:21:01,400 --> 00:20:59,220 there's usually a lot of people around 469 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:01,410 did other people see well no it wasn't 470 00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:04,110 it was kind of strange because we we set 471 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:07,860 up the shoot for will actually started 472 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:09,810 shooting during the day but it ended up 473 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:12,030 at the US Capitol building at about 474 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:14,760 midnight and and about midnight the 475 00:21:19,670 --> 00:21:17,370 first thing the manager that was with us 476 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:19,680 said hey what are those things you want 477 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:22,050 those but I was more focused on taking 478 00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:24,390 pictures of the artists with the Capitol 479 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:26,700 in the background for that you know 480 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:28,230 gangster effect whatever they were 481 00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:29,520 looking for in that in that particular 482 00:21:38,030 --> 00:21:33,120 type of shot but as I was filming when I 483 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:38,040 was filming were these objects which you 484 00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:39,090 know I don't know if you know it's 485 00:21:44,650 --> 00:21:41,340 familiar from there with the history at 486 00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:44,660 the US Capitol but in 1952 on the very 487 00:21:52,550 --> 00:21:49,430 same day that I had my encounter July 16 488 00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,560 1952 was the first encounter at the US 489 00:21:57,530 --> 00:21:55,200 Capitol building which a formation of 490 00:22:01,280 --> 00:21:57,540 luminous objects flew by the Capitol 491 00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:01,290 dome and they were filmed by several 492 00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:03,540 people but what one of the people that 493 00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:06,840 was on the ground was using a Bullock 16 494 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:08,700 millimeter handheld motion picture 495 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:11,490 camera which was like the video camera 496 00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:13,650 in the 1950s it's like the video camera 497 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:15,480 today would have been the equivalent to 498 00:22:21,050 --> 00:22:19,020 that and he filmed these objects fly by 499 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:21,060 the Capitol dome and the objects that he 500 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:26,730 filmed fly by July 16 1952 basically 501 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:27,090 came 502 00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:29,910 back july 16 2002 the night that I 503 00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:32,550 filmed my objects because they were 504 00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:34,380 essentially the same except the 505 00:22:40,790 --> 00:22:36,870 differences were with mine the objects 506 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:40,800 in 1952 were this whitish blue color the 507 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:42,690 objects that materialized from the sky 508 00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:46,950 above the capital in 2002 were nuclear 509 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:49,380 green and what was interesting is these 510 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:51,810 green objects that I photographed in 511 00:23:00,170 --> 00:22:58,050 2002 were first documented in 1946 over 512 00:23:03,230 --> 00:23:00,180 the skies of Germany during World War 513 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:03,240 two then they were documented in space 514 00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,110 during Apollo 7 then during Apollo 11 515 00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:10,080 then during Apollo 14 which my partner 516 00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:12,900 dr. Edgar Mitchell who just passed away 517 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:15,960 two weeks ago encountered on the surface 518 00:23:21,650 --> 00:23:19,530 of the Moon then Apollo 16 and Apollo 17 519 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:21,660 all documented the very same objects 520 00:23:27,250 --> 00:23:24,960 that I photographed in the sky at the US 521 00:23:30,650 --> 00:23:27,260 Capitol building so we have NASA 522 00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,660 documentation from Apollo and then the 523 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:32,880 documentation which I was able to obtain 524 00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:36,600 with a more advanced film camera which I 525 00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:38,910 had at that time which I was using a 526 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:42,630 Nikon at 100s and when the object 527 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:44,520 materialized the camera was taking a 528 00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,110 three-and-a-half minute photograph and 529 00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:48,960 it documented the materialization it 530 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:51,480 documented the object materialize D 531 00:23:56,270 --> 00:23:54,030 materialize re materialized in another 532 00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:56,280 area of space D materialize 533 00:24:01,640 --> 00:23:59,340 rematerialized in another area space and 534 00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:01,650 as it finally rima t realized it was 535 00:24:09,290 --> 00:24:05,220 generating this a essentially a Stargate 536 00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,300 which the camera also photographed but I 537 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:11,400 didn't have the documentation to 538 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:14,370 substantiate what I photographed until 539 00:24:19,010 --> 00:24:17,130 later on in which NASA has just 540 00:24:21,050 --> 00:24:19,020 confirmed that there are anomalous 541 00:24:24,110 --> 00:24:21,060 portals associated to the magnetic 542 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:24,120 fields of earth in which these objects 543 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:26,100 are entering and exiting our realm 544 00:24:30,650 --> 00:24:28,200 through so NASA does note they do exist 545 00:24:32,660 --> 00:24:30,660 now I basically now wrapped what exists 546 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:32,670 at the US Capitol building where is that 547 00:24:38,350 --> 00:24:36,150 information found it's on my website if 548 00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:38,360 you go to my website no I mean in on the 549 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:40,230 NASA and then 550 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:44,250 it's not on I went to I have to go to my 551 00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:45,929 website to find you that link and I'll 552 00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:51,299 tell you what it's called all right and 553 00:24:56,780 --> 00:24:53,669 just just when you're saying that these 554 00:24:59,500 --> 00:24:56,790 things are are you saying that these 555 00:25:03,110 --> 00:24:59,510 things are identical to the objects that 556 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:03,120 were filmed in different places and what 557 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:06,350 irony is based based on NASA 558 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:09,690 documentation in space that the objects 559 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,610 that NASA documented in space during the 560 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:14,640 1990s 2000 and all the missions they 561 00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:18,570 were up until impact today are exactly 562 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:19,860 the same as the objects and I'm 563 00:25:25,070 --> 00:25:22,410 photographing in my research realm which 564 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:25,080 is directly over my home four blocks 565 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:27,570 from the White House so we've got these 566 00:25:33,020 --> 00:25:29,850 objects exactly like they were filmed in 567 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:33,030 space in 1990 except with the technology 568 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:35,700 that I'm using today I'm getting these 569 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:38,370 objects materialize and dematerialize in 570 00:25:42,260 --> 00:25:40,130 the same region of space but as they 571 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:42,270 materialize into our realm 572 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:44,610 I'm also capturing the sounds associated 573 00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:47,010 to that and what's interesting is that 574 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:48,870 these objects have mechanical sounds 575 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:52,770 we've been able to clearly see and hear 576 00:25:58,580 --> 00:25:55,530 just by the examples that what is being 577 00:26:01,460 --> 00:25:58,590 photographed is not a meteor or what one 578 00:26:03,380 --> 00:26:01,470 would consider a shooting star which 579 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:03,390 would be impossible for a shooting star 580 00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:05,250 to have mechanical sounds associated to 581 00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:07,350 it would also be impossible for a 582 00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:10,100 shooting star to have a consistent 583 00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:12,179 contrail which would be its propulsion 584 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,520 matrix that would be unlike anything 585 00:26:17,539 --> 00:26:16,320 anyone's ever seen before so we've got 586 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,549 all of these elements that have been 587 00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:20,880 recorded with this much higher grade 588 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:22,860 technology than what nasa used in space 589 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:25,410 during the 1990s and it all clearly 590 00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:27,690 shows exactly the same thing which they 591 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:30,179 know exists but now we know they exist 592 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:31,290 here on earth 593 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:33,210 but what but basically I'm documenting 594 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:36,690 is essentially the portals associated to 595 00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:38,610 the wormholes which they also discovered 596 00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:42,150 in 1990 that are located directly above 597 00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:45,230 the North and South Poles of this planet 598 00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:51,120 hmm okay so when you're saying so 599 00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:52,500 there's a message up on the message 600 00:26:58,370 --> 00:26:53,580 board someone wanted to know 601 00:27:01,910 --> 00:26:58,380 can you elaborate on Stargate they know 602 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:01,920 that that there are within the magnetic 603 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,230 fields these inconsistencies and what 604 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:09,360 they did notice especially on board 605 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:12,570 mirror during the 1990s and dr. Kip 606 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:14,310 Thorne was one of the scientists that 607 00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:18,770 was on board Mir in 1990 what they 608 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:22,590 documented were objects materializing 609 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:25,110 from a region of space entering into 610 00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:27,930 Earth's atmosphere or leaving Earth's 611 00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:30,360 atmosphere and D materializing in the 612 00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:31,860 same region of space in which the 613 00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,160 material it was that the area in which 614 00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:36,960 they materialized and be materialized 615 00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:40,230 into was a portal a Stargate and that 616 00:27:45,500 --> 00:27:43,160 Stargate was connected to the wormhole 617 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:45,510 which is located about the North and 618 00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:50,630 South Pole they documented that okay and 619 00:27:59,030 --> 00:27:54,300 you are able to send us or send me I 620 00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:59,040 should say a link that bomb that is 621 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:01,320 indeed if you go to my website it's UFO 622 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:04,770 DC comm the chapter itself is called how 623 00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:07,890 et enters our airspace it's it's in the 624 00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:09,420 middle of the page you can't miss it 625 00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:12,030 it's a the graphic is Earth with a 626 00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:14,550 graphic of the magnetic field in blue 627 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:17,070 with anomalous objects and a grid you'll 628 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:19,140 see it but if you click on that chapter 629 00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:21,240 clearly takes you to the page that's 630 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:23,460 associated to which I'm discussing right 631 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:26,070 now within my samples I have all of the 632 00:28:31,460 --> 00:28:28,550 examples in which objects materialized 633 00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,470 flyby or D materialized in the same area 634 00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:34,080 of space that every sample I have on the 635 00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:36,300 space on this page is documented in the 636 00:28:42,650 --> 00:28:40,140 same region in the same area everything 637 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:42,660 is the same for blocks from the White 638 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,110 House now you were saying or earlier 639 00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:49,440 that you used a three minute exposure is 640 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:53,460 that typical to be able to capture 641 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:55,770 something like this well you know under 642 00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,810 the conditions in which I used the three 643 00:29:01,760 --> 00:28:59,880 minute exposure back in those days we're 644 00:29:03,980 --> 00:29:01,770 talking about a film sample and that is 645 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:03,990 so I was using was twelve thousand oh 646 00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:07,410 I'm sorry was 1280 and 647 00:29:11,660 --> 00:29:09,960 like cameras today which go up to three 648 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:11,670 million eyes now which is clearly 649 00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:13,410 unheard of it's even more bizarre than 650 00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:16,230 more advanced than Hubble but the camera 651 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:21,240 I used in 2002 was an f-100 Nikon 35 652 00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:23,490 millimeter camera and the technology 653 00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:28,790 that it used film was limited to at best 654 00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:32,910 3200 ISO and at that night that I was 655 00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:36,360 filming for Def Jam Records I was using 656 00:29:42,860 --> 00:29:39,540 1000 ISO affirm which is slow and 657 00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,870 today's standards but for the conditions 658 00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:44,340 in which I was filming and with the 659 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:46,200 technology I was using I was able to 660 00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,230 image under the conditions in which I 661 00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:52,320 was filming a photograph which clearly 662 00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,750 showed this object has it materialized 663 00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:57,600 above my head in the exposure so it was 664 00:30:02,290 --> 00:30:00,690 yes efficient to do that indeed now were 665 00:30:07,550 --> 00:30:02,300 you able to see this with the naked eye 666 00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:07,560 yes and is that the case have you done a 667 00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:11,700 lot of different filming of objects 668 00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:12,950 there's a lot of things on your website 669 00:30:17,780 --> 00:30:16,140 is that always the case or using a new 670 00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:17,790 type of like night vision or anything 671 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:19,860 like that well you know keep in mind in 672 00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:22,050 2002 were talking film but the stuff 673 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:23,670 that's on this chapter dealing 674 00:30:29,420 --> 00:30:25,770 essentially with ET hormones and 675 00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:29,430 stargates is filmed using cameras which 676 00:30:35,410 --> 00:30:32,880 have 200,000 and 400,000 ISO 677 00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:35,420 capabilities so I'm I'm able to 678 00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,220 essentially film without a flash or 679 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,620 light in full color at 60 frames per 680 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:43,200 second these objects as they materialize 681 00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,760 in the sky at night uh-huh I am going 682 00:30:53,390 --> 00:30:50,640 I'm gonna be daring here we've had some 683 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:53,400 issues with our phone service but I'm 684 00:30:57,050 --> 00:30:55,050 gonna put the number out there just in 685 00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:57,060 case someone wants to call in I'd like 686 00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:58,620 to get it I'm gonna have you kind of be 687 00:31:01,220 --> 00:30:59,940 a little bit of a guinea pig I'd like to 688 00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,230 try it again if that's all right with 689 00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:02,840 you that's not a problem 690 00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:06,120 okay so if any listener would like to 691 00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:12,960 call in that number is 603 967 403 Oh so 692 00:31:16,910 --> 00:31:15,300 also if you're listening live you can 693 00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:16,920 jump in the chatroom right on our 694 00:31:22,390 --> 00:31:19,920 website and 695 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:22,400 okay so one of the pictures you have is 696 00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:26,130 of an orange orb and I've noticed that a 697 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:28,590 pretty bright picture can you talk about 698 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:32,490 that image the orange orb was 699 00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:35,130 interesting because it is the first 700 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:38,820 world's first example of a full-frame 701 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,170 digital High Definition close encounter 702 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:46,320 I was hired again by an entertainment 703 00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:48,330 company to film a group in Reisterstown 704 00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:51,660 Maryland which is outside of Baltimore 705 00:31:57,890 --> 00:31:55,320 and as everyone decided to take a break 706 00:32:00,320 --> 00:31:57,900 from doing segments of this video we 707 00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:00,330 were working on we all decided to step 708 00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:03,830 outside and as we stepped outside I 709 00:32:10,820 --> 00:32:07,520 noticed when we all notice actually this 710 00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,830 anomalous blue sphere and it was 711 00:32:15,380 --> 00:32:13,200 crackling like a firework would sound 712 00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:15,390 like if you listen to fireworks as as 713 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,260 they are being lit and it flew by and as 714 00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:22,080 it flew by the blue sphere flew by these 715 00:32:29,090 --> 00:32:26,550 are spheres materialized I mean when I 716 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:29,100 say materialized there was nothing there 717 00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,170 and the next second when you blink 718 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:33,840 this orange object was sitting in the 719 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:35,670 trees and there was a group of the 720 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:37,290 objects sitting there in the trees what 721 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:39,210 was even more interesting as I 722 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,490 photographed that and I looked further 723 00:32:45,770 --> 00:32:43,260 into the photograph about the trees 724 00:32:47,540 --> 00:32:45,780 there was a whole group of them that but 725 00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:47,550 they were cloaked so we know that there 726 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:49,860 was quite a few of the objects there but 727 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:51,930 just these few that decided to be 728 00:32:58,670 --> 00:32:54,690 luminous and they decided to land in the 729 00:33:00,260 --> 00:32:58,680 trees and the what was more abstract 730 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:00,270 than anything that you would think that 731 00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:03,840 whatever this orange red-hot object was 732 00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:06,180 would singe the trees it did absolutely 733 00:33:10,790 --> 00:33:08,550 nothing no damage at all to the leaves 734 00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:10,800 or the foilage at all it had no effect 735 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:13,470 at all no one would even know the object 736 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:16,290 was there unless the photograph was seen 737 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:18,240 so it was absolutely unlike anything 738 00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:19,530 we'd ever seen before 739 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,780 which by the way there's another person 740 00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:23,220 in Mount Vernon New York 741 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:26,540 Melvin Harris who photographed the exact 742 00:33:33,650 --> 00:33:30,330 exact same objects that I photographed 743 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:33,660 in Baltimore but now burn in New York 744 00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:35,010 and we were able to do a comparative 745 00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,840 analysis between the Mount Vernon New 746 00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:39,120 York samples and the samples from 747 00:33:45,050 --> 00:33:41,670 Baltimore Maryland and they're 100% 748 00:33:47,420 --> 00:33:45,060 exactly the same hmm Wow 749 00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:47,430 now I noticed in this picture you have 750 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:49,110 there's a lot of you can see sort of 751 00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:51,690 like ghost images is that something on 752 00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,740 the lens or something 753 00:33:59,900 --> 00:33:55,200 those are the cloaked objects that were 754 00:34:04,130 --> 00:33:59,910 around it Wow the camera was was 755 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:04,140 sensitive enough to differentiate the 756 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:08,640 differences in density basically if it's 757 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:11,130 cloaked even though it may be cloaked to 758 00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:13,230 the human eye that camera was able to 759 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:15,840 differentiate the differences between 760 00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:17,970 the shape of the object and the object 761 00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:21,240 space in which it was in so I was able 762 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:22,919 to see it that's what we're looking at 763 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:24,750 it's not a reflection it's not a lens 764 00:34:32,630 --> 00:34:29,760 flare it's additional objects hmm would 765 00:34:36,620 --> 00:34:32,640 you consider that one of the most 766 00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:36,630 amazing pictures you've taken it's it's 767 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:39,150 in league with it because all of them 768 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,460 are equally abstract and you know it 769 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:44,040 just it started getting stranger and 770 00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:46,290 stranger with the more advanced cameras 771 00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:49,980 and I was using so with that in mind it 772 00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:54,179 was to my advantage to leave still 773 00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:58,500 frames and dope documented that action 774 00:35:02,090 --> 00:35:00,180 picture level because at a 775 00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:02,100 motion-picture level it does not leave 776 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:05,070 any room for second guessing you see 777 00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:07,050 exactly what's happening this motion 778 00:35:11,780 --> 00:35:09,180 picture is associated to it versus 779 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:11,790 having the short series of stills which 780 00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:14,010 are limited to just that one second in 781 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:16,140 which that frame was taken we don't know 782 00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:18,090 what happened before we don't know what 783 00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,580 happens after we just have that one 784 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:22,800 second that one instance in which that 785 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:25,410 exposure was taken so we're limited in 786 00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:26,910 the sense in the amount of data that 787 00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:30,600 we've able to capture at that moment but 788 00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:32,550 in emotion the picture is absolutely 789 00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:36,660 different now some of the images I saw a 790 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:38,910 couple of the images you have look like 791 00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,830 they have like a repeated pattern is 792 00:35:45,859 --> 00:35:42,560 this kind of what you're talking about 793 00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:45,869 the repeating patterns 794 00:35:51,630 --> 00:35:48,609 what I had to do with the repeating 795 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,640 patterns was to show with time-lapse for 796 00:35:55,380 --> 00:35:53,680 example and some of the samples in which 797 00:35:58,620 --> 00:35:55,390 I had the repeating patterns were 798 00:36:02,099 --> 00:35:58,630 time-lapse frames but I had to show each 799 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:02,109 frame in a composite which basically 800 00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:04,390 showed the object materialized into the 801 00:36:08,370 --> 00:36:06,460 airspace fly through the air space and 802 00:36:12,270 --> 00:36:08,380 then deed materialized out the airspace 803 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:12,280 in each frame even there the limitations 804 00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:15,490 associated time lapse were since I was 805 00:36:19,859 --> 00:36:17,920 shooting one frame per second versus 806 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:19,869 shooting thirty frames per second or 807 00:36:24,299 --> 00:36:21,450 sixty frames per second which is 808 00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:24,309 high-speed motion picture at one frame 809 00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,049 per second you're missing what happens 810 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:28,000 before and after but you're it's like 811 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:30,730 jumping in space so you really don't 812 00:36:37,530 --> 00:36:34,510 have full reference in terms of the full 813 00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,540 motion aspects relative to what is being 814 00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:40,240 filmed in time-lapse that you would have 815 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:42,430 in 30 frames to 60 frames per second 816 00:36:46,799 --> 00:36:44,770 obviously but that's essentially what I 817 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:46,809 was able to do with the time-lapse image 818 00:36:50,579 --> 00:36:48,970 was separate the components which did 819 00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:50,589 show the object and put them in a 820 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:53,260 composite and lay that composite down 821 00:36:56,819 --> 00:36:55,450 and it showed without a doubt that it 822 00:36:59,940 --> 00:36:56,829 would be impossible for that to be a 823 00:37:01,770 --> 00:36:59,950 meteoric shooting star impossible plus 824 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:01,780 now your other other reports associated 825 00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:04,690 to the band of like UFO especially 826 00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:09,790 flight 1628 1986 over Alaska which Japan 827 00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:13,359 Airlines clearly documented what this 828 00:37:18,930 --> 00:37:16,260 airline pilot said was a luminous object 829 00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:18,940 much larger than two aircraft carriers 830 00:37:27,329 --> 00:37:22,540 and that's what we're looking at on how 831 00:37:29,609 --> 00:37:27,339 do you judge the size well the I used a 832 00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:29,619 20 millimeter lens and 20 millimeter 833 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:31,420 lens is basically taking up you're 834 00:37:38,730 --> 00:37:34,569 looking at 180 degrees if you look 835 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:38,740 straight up at 20 millimeters the object 836 00:37:44,910 --> 00:37:41,650 I photographed was at least four to five 837 00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:44,920 aircraft carriers in length not two it 838 00:37:51,809 --> 00:37:49,000 was much larger much larger you do hear 839 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:51,819 a lot about very very large craft so you 840 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:53,290 know nothing surprises me when it comes 841 00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:55,210 to that when I tell you and you're 842 00:37:59,620 --> 00:37:57,730 looking at a 20 millimeter sample you do 843 00:38:02,110 --> 00:37:59,630 the math how big is that thing you 844 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:02,120 a 20-millimeter picture it's pretty damn 845 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:04,310 big yeah 846 00:38:12,070 --> 00:38:07,490 I'm not I am definitely not a person 847 00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:12,080 that's schooled enough to know exactly 848 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:14,180 what I'm talking about we have to look 849 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:15,770 at people who don't understand 850 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:18,740 photography with with cameras and camera 851 00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:20,510 lenses when you have a camera with a ten 852 00:38:25,690 --> 00:38:22,580 millimeter lens obviously that super 853 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:25,700 wide angle twenty millimeter it starts 854 00:38:30,220 --> 00:38:27,650 getting more into normal perspectives 855 00:38:31,630 --> 00:38:30,230 but it's still super wide angle then it 856 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:31,640 goes in a fifty millimeter which is 857 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:34,610 normal perspective then 85 millimeter 858 00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:36,740 and greater becomes telephoto so we're 859 00:38:43,090 --> 00:38:40,310 looking at 20 millimeter wide angle into 860 00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:43,100 space which clearly see the clouds not 861 00:38:48,850 --> 00:38:45,710 clouds not the cloud matter associated 862 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:48,860 to that airspace in Sedona clearly so 863 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:50,690 the object that's photographed there it 864 00:38:56,830 --> 00:38:54,410 would have to be logically speaking five 865 00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:56,840 aircraft areas in length maybe six 866 00:39:02,530 --> 00:38:59,450 someone wants to know what was the shape 867 00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:02,540 of that object it's just a it's just a 868 00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:07,790 beam of light is this the one that looks 869 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,030 like a string almost it's not a string 870 00:39:18,930 --> 00:39:14,240 it's its shape is specific to it's like 871 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:18,940 a line if if we look at I'll use 872 00:39:24,340 --> 00:39:21,320 highways for example the lines and then 873 00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:24,350 you know in the highway that blue lines 874 00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:27,260 they think have separations in the 875 00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,350 center it's like that it's just a line 876 00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:32,000 that's all there is to it so in 877 00:39:37,090 --> 00:39:35,300 cylindrical line hmm sand and light 878 00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:37,100 that's how the captain of the Japan 879 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:40,400 Airlines flight 1628 described it 880 00:39:46,330 --> 00:39:44,090 there's a band of light I thought his 881 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:46,340 description was more like a large walnut 882 00:39:49,210 --> 00:39:47,450 if I remember right 883 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:49,220 well no that was the first two objects 884 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:51,050 you were talking about the third object 885 00:39:57,070 --> 00:39:54,370 third object clearly is is this 886 00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:57,080 particular object which Grohmann also 887 00:40:02,200 --> 00:39:59,690 documented in 1960s so we have 888 00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:02,210 documentation of it in other reports but 889 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:03,580 no one seemed to have physical 890 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:05,810 documentation in terms of motion picture 891 00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:09,050 and I've got 147 samples of it starting 892 00:40:13,950 --> 00:40:11,870 from area 51 and now over my home in 893 00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:13,960 Washington DC 894 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:18,020 well now someone just put up there like 895 00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:20,690 a rod you know is that it's it's shaped 896 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:23,560 like a rod indeed it's it's cylindrical 897 00:40:32,020 --> 00:40:30,050 like a long tube except huge five six 898 00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:32,030 aircraft Harry's long it's a tube of 899 00:40:39,550 --> 00:40:35,360 light it's it's its consistency it's 900 00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:39,560 just light well now you mentioned 901 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:41,990 earlier that you were basically an Air 902 00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:44,930 Force brat as they say yeah um what did 903 00:40:51,070 --> 00:40:49,400 your father think about this because the 904 00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:51,080 things happened early on with you right 905 00:40:56,290 --> 00:40:54,100 well my parents were involved in this 906 00:40:59,170 --> 00:40:56,300 initial encounter at school for Air 907 00:41:02,980 --> 00:40:59,180 Force Base RAF rather in the United 908 00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:02,990 Kingdom and what was interesting is both 909 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:05,840 my parents knew that what I experienced 910 00:41:11,170 --> 00:41:07,880 we all experienced the aliens came into 911 00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:11,180 my home but my father refused to talk 912 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:13,100 about it what was interesting is in 913 00:41:18,850 --> 00:41:16,370 Vietnam at Cam Ranh Bay my father whose 914 00:41:22,660 --> 00:41:18,860 military intelligence documented this 915 00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:22,670 luminous green object over a c-130 at 916 00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:25,580 the tarmac at Cam Ranh Bay airstrip 917 00:41:31,060 --> 00:41:29,120 itself and that that green anomaly was 918 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:31,070 exactly the same as the green anomaly 919 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:32,690 that I photographed at the US Capitol 920 00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:34,250 building in the same green anomalies 921 00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:36,380 encountered in space by the Apollo moon 922 00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,660 mission astronauts exactly the same Wow 923 00:41:44,860 --> 00:41:43,280 so but what Jeremy I wanted to talk 924 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:44,870 about the subjects my father would not 925 00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:46,570 talk about it he took it to his grave 926 00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:48,710 everything my father to this day nobody 927 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:50,390 knows what he did for the military 928 00:41:57,420 --> 00:41:52,690 nobody Wow 929 00:42:00,250 --> 00:41:57,430 and was your mother a witness as well 930 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:00,260 yes she won't talk about it either 931 00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:09,660 pardon me 932 00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:12,380 alright so that happened when you were 933 00:42:18,430 --> 00:42:16,400 you said five years old yes and was the 934 00:42:21,850 --> 00:42:18,440 second time he had any type of encounter 935 00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:21,860 the one you mentioned earlier in 2002 936 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:25,670 well 2002 was well first you have to 937 00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:27,330 understand that when we had 938 00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:30,660 initial encounter as I explained it as I 939 00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:34,800 wasn't a child whatever they implanted 940 00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:36,990 in me my body was trying to reject so 941 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,780 for about 12 years after that I vomited 942 00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:44,880 nightly and the doctors couldn't 943 00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:48,540 understand or find anything that was 944 00:42:52,730 --> 00:42:51,060 making me vomit nightly and they took me 945 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:52,740 the military doctors and at that time 946 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:54,930 they didn't have the level of technology 947 00:43:01,280 --> 00:42:57,650 they have now you know it's basically 948 00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,290 which doctor basically this level of a 949 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:03,660 witch doctor x-ray machines an FSO scope 950 00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:06,510 basically so it wasn't like they could 951 00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:08,900 find whatever these things put in me so 952 00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:12,660 they treated it as possibly an illness 953 00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:14,940 associated to intestines which was not 954 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:16,500 the case because they didn't stop me 955 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:18,090 from throwing up even with the medicines 956 00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:20,250 that they gave me but when it all 957 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:24,710 stopped things started happening 958 00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:28,050 lightbulbs would turn off or turn on by 959 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:28,830 themselves 960 00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:31,290 elevator doors before the days that 961 00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:33,240 sensors were there with open and close 962 00:43:37,820 --> 00:43:35,190 by themselves street lights were turned 963 00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:37,830 on and off as I walked by absolutely 964 00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,390 weird stuff to take take place and then 965 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:43,740 the object started landing in front of 966 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:51,770 did you ever figure out exactly where 967 00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:54,930 this possible implant what I know where 968 00:44:01,280 --> 00:43:57,780 it is and have you ever done anything 969 00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:01,290 about it dr. Leir tried and the problem 970 00:44:06,850 --> 00:44:03,960 is since it is now fused to my central 971 00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,860 nervous system it would be either 972 00:44:11,180 --> 00:44:08,640 catastrophic to me it would definitely 973 00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:11,190 be too painful to be removed it's 974 00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:13,470 infused to my central nervous system now 975 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:16,710 it's too late it's embedded in me it's 976 00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:25,170 part of me it works all right let's get 977 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:28,680 back to your photography what type of 978 00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:33,290 equipment are you using I'm using a 979 00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:36,270 modified d4 for full spectrum infrared 980 00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,020 which is ISO 200 thousand I'm using a d4 981 00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:41,280 s which is ISO 982 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:44,430 400 thousand for 60 frames per second 983 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:46,290 full motion picture night vision at 984 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:48,450 night full color night vision rather and 985 00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:50,370 then I'm going to modify up to the d5 986 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:55,260 which is 3 million eyes oh wow ok and 987 00:45:01,610 --> 00:44:57,090 did I hear you say you're going to 988 00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,620 school I'm working on my master's degree 989 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:03,420 in imaging technology at Howard 990 00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:06,870 University I see so this all fits 991 00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:08,700 together and what type of work did you 992 00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:10,110 what's that 993 00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:13,430 absolutely what type of work did you do 994 00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,720 contract work did you do with National 995 00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:18,300 Geographic I'm a director of photography 996 00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:22,140 I do photography work oh so filming 997 00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:25,830 filming yes well then my credentials are 998 00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:28,670 at a History Channel Discovery Science 999 00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:31,020 NBCUniversal the weather channel MTV 1000 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:34,200 country music television CBS News and 1001 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:37,890 ABC News Fox News has any of this other 1002 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:42,230 work interfered with that type of work 1003 00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:45,330 actually no it's all interface because 1004 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:47,670 the technology I use allows me to do not 1005 00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,970 just shooting in space but I can shoot 1006 00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:53,520 in any environment that has light or no 1007 00:46:03,680 --> 00:45:58,680 light at all mm-hmm all right what do 1008 00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:03,690 you consider photographic evidence of 1009 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:10,560 UFOs photographic evidence of UFOs would 1010 00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:15,530 consist variations of shots for example 1011 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:18,390 objects that are on my page I've got a 1012 00:46:23,570 --> 00:46:20,370 hundred and forty seven samples of them 1013 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:23,580 okay so we all have doesn't take a 1014 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:24,930 rocket scientist to see that with a 1015 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:26,490 hundred and forty seven samples of the 1016 00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:29,250 exact same thing that there is 1017 00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:31,230 consistency associated to it so we can 1018 00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:33,030 put that particular object in a 1019 00:46:37,340 --> 00:46:35,070 classification in which which has 1020 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:37,350 already been classified if you look at 1021 00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:39,930 the types of UFOs that do exist and they 1022 00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:42,060 are classified as either cylinder as 1023 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:44,910 spheres of spacecraft shaped like 1024 00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:48,050 saucers the various shapes bells 1025 00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:49,790 everything has a classification 1026 00:46:55,099 --> 00:46:52,520 associated to it and if you look at the 1027 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:55,109 frequency and the number of samples 1028 00:46:59,749 --> 00:46:57,690 and the classification associated Jordan 1029 00:47:02,809 --> 00:46:59,759 once informed the conclusion that indeed 1030 00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:02,819 whatever this object is it is indeed 1031 00:47:08,779 --> 00:47:06,720 false within the specifications of an 1032 00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:08,789 anomalous object what we would consider 1033 00:47:13,819 --> 00:47:11,130 an unidentified flying object it's 1034 00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:13,829 outside of the consistency of our level 1035 00:47:19,999 --> 00:47:17,119 of technology now have you ever had 1036 00:47:22,489 --> 00:47:20,009 someone like Bruce Maccabee or anyone 1037 00:47:25,249 --> 00:47:22,499 like that look at your images dr. 1038 00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:25,259 Maccabee is a personal friend of mine 1039 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:27,150 and he is one of my associates and he 1040 00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:29,910 does indeed do the research on all of my 1041 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:34,380 samples oh really and what's his 1042 00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:35,930 conclusions 1043 00:47:42,829 --> 00:47:39,960 ask ask Bruce I think would be in the 1044 00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:42,839 case in that dr. Maccabee should be in 1045 00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:47,369 on this conversation ok I've had him on 1046 00:47:52,789 --> 00:47:50,670 the show a few few different times and 1047 00:47:56,479 --> 00:47:52,799 you know there's other people that are 1048 00:47:58,940 --> 00:47:56,489 doing a lot of analysis on film and 1049 00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:58,950 photography the qualified people not I'm 1050 00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:02,400 talking about people like Mark Dantonio 1051 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:04,200 I'm not sure if you know who he is 1052 00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:07,890 well Tim Delattre so did the analysis 1053 00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:09,960 for uncovering aliens which the BBC 1054 00:48:13,249 --> 00:48:11,700 hired him specifically to do the 1055 00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:13,259 analysis on the flute show that I did in 1056 00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,220 Sedona and there was no doubt in his 1057 00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,200 mind especially looking at the raw 1058 00:48:24,259 --> 00:48:22,319 footage that what i photographed clearly 1059 00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:24,269 claimed out of the sky and clearly was 1060 00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:27,569 imaged in the best possible definition 1061 00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:31,140 he'd ever seen on my samples so yeah 1062 00:48:34,009 --> 00:48:32,460 there are other people that do look at 1063 00:48:36,009 --> 00:48:34,019 my work it's not like I'm sitting here 1064 00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:36,019 making claims that I can't substantiate 1065 00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:39,390 without scientific analysis and that 1066 00:48:42,829 --> 00:48:40,950 some of the samples out on my website 1067 00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:42,839 were substantiated by my other 1068 00:48:46,940 --> 00:48:44,430 associates like Edgar Mitchell who 1069 00:48:48,979 --> 00:48:46,950 passed away Buzz Aldrin and some other 1070 00:48:52,339 --> 00:48:48,989 astronauts and I'm also associated with 1071 00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:52,349 so I'm not doing this all by myself and 1072 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:55,049 I'm not using just my examples alone if 1073 00:49:00,229 --> 00:48:57,450 you notice on my website a lot of it has 1074 00:49:02,839 --> 00:49:00,239 to do with NASA and I'm using that as 1075 00:49:04,579 --> 00:49:02,849 the basis of analysis so with the basis 1076 00:49:07,279 --> 00:49:04,589 of announces I'm able to show what the 1077 00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,289 objects that I do have the consistency 1078 00:49:10,789 --> 00:49:08,640 that does exist 1079 00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:10,799 and that if that consistency does exist 1080 00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:12,900 one can conclude that without a doubt 1081 00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,420 that these objects at least based on the 1082 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:17,880 data that's out there are indeed 1083 00:49:25,549 --> 00:49:22,890 extraterrestrial hmm okay now you said 1084 00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:25,559 Sedona so that you did some filming and 1085 00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:28,319 photography out there yeah I did 1086 00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:30,839 uncovering aliens black ops conspiracy 1087 00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:35,160 for the BBC Discovery Networks ah okay 1088 00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:38,910 and I read or I think I listened to one 1089 00:49:42,819 --> 00:49:40,260 of your interviews where you said that 1090 00:49:48,529 --> 00:49:42,829 you were out at area 51 1091 00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,539 milah expedition for MTV and the BBC on 1092 00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:51,660 a special that was filmed in area 51 but 1093 00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:54,329 the show specifically I worked on was my 1094 00:50:00,200 --> 00:49:57,960 big redneck vacation uh it was supposed 1095 00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,210 to be a comedy and-and-and what was 1096 00:50:05,569 --> 00:50:02,880 supposed to be a comedy turned into a 1097 00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:05,579 nightmare it was a close encounter and 1098 00:50:09,980 --> 00:50:07,380 the crew was arrested by area 51 1099 00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:09,990 security it was an absolute nightmare 1100 00:50:14,269 --> 00:50:12,839 oh my goodness oh yeah he's doing creepy 1101 00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:14,279 it was more creepy than funny 1102 00:50:20,839 --> 00:50:18,390 yeah were they detained a long time they 1103 00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:20,849 were let's just say how would you feel 1104 00:50:27,490 --> 00:50:23,640 if your face down in the dirt with 16 1105 00:50:31,009 --> 00:50:27,500 m16s pointed at your head was this 1106 00:50:34,029 --> 00:50:31,019 involving yourself as well no kind of 1107 00:50:38,420 --> 00:50:34,039 weird before it went down 1108 00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,430 in the desert I'm filming by myself 1109 00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:40,079 because I went it into the desert just 1110 00:50:44,779 --> 00:50:41,910 to get some examples away from the crew 1111 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:44,789 away from the lights and whatever was in 1112 00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:46,650 the sky slithering like a snake looked 1113 00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,230 like a sperm cell telepathically 1114 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:51,180 communicate it to either pack Mike I'll 1115 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:53,130 say stuff but it didn't use the word 1116 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:55,410 stuff it told me to pack my stuff and 1117 00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,690 leave immediately and I complied 1118 00:51:03,529 --> 00:51:00,180 immediately and within one minute of 1119 00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:03,539 getting to my crew van all hell broke 1120 00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:06,029 loose it was 80 security personnel from 1121 00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:09,420 area 51 ascended on my crew and arrested 1122 00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,180 them now they were actually on the 1123 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:14,880 property itself no we didn't go anywhere 1124 00:51:18,859 --> 00:51:17,369 near the property they stay arrested us 1125 00:51:20,269 --> 00:51:18,869 because the objects were in the sky 1126 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:20,279 above us and they didn't want us to see 1127 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:22,130 it 1128 00:51:26,829 --> 00:51:25,490 well which my god they have no grounds 1129 00:51:28,690 --> 00:51:26,839 for arresting you if you're not on the 1130 00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:28,700 property that's doesn't mean well no 1131 00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,140 they didn't but they took the material 1132 00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,920 from from the crew well I can't say they 1133 00:51:37,089 --> 00:51:35,599 weren't on the property because I'm on 1134 00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:37,099 another part I'm outside on the 1135 00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:39,230 perimeter they went towards the main 1136 00:51:46,180 --> 00:51:44,089 gate so I don't know what they did I all 1137 00:51:48,759 --> 00:51:46,190 I know is aliens told me to pack my 1138 00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,769 stuff and leave and I did and from that 1139 00:51:53,890 --> 00:51:50,720 night forward whatever it was that told 1140 00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:53,900 me to leave has followed me to all of my 1141 00:52:00,730 --> 00:51:56,390 locations and is now every night above 1142 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:00,740 my home every night and presenting 1143 00:52:04,839 --> 00:52:02,329 itself how and how do you know it's 1144 00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:04,849 there visually all the visual samples 1145 00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:07,849 that I have it documented 60 frames per 1146 00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:11,119 second video I do it on a nightly basis 1147 00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:14,380 everything is the same 1148 00:52:24,190 --> 00:52:20,710 Wow interesting that becomes the problem 1149 00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:24,200 when when you look at randomness 1150 00:52:30,819 --> 00:52:27,140 associated to a meteor what do you think 1151 00:52:32,769 --> 00:52:30,829 the probabilities of a meteor shooting 1152 00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:32,779 by on the daily basis on the same 1153 00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,319 trajectory impossible it's at random 1154 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:38,720 it's totally random but what I'm showing 1155 00:52:45,099 --> 00:52:42,170 you has consistency even in its angular 1156 00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,109 trajectory so what does that say that 1157 00:52:50,259 --> 00:52:47,839 says either there is there's indeed an 1158 00:52:53,470 --> 00:52:50,269 extraterrestrial presence first but 1159 00:52:56,740 --> 00:52:53,480 there's either a base cloaked mothership 1160 00:53:00,700 --> 00:52:56,750 or a portal and my assessment says 1161 00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:00,710 there's a portal right there someone on 1162 00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,849 the message board wants to know if 1163 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:03,200 there's actually pictures that you're 1164 00:53:11,049 --> 00:53:05,650 taking every night that they can see 1165 00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:11,059 it's on my website u.s. ODC comm if you 1166 00:53:16,690 --> 00:53:12,319 go down you'll see there's chapters 1167 00:53:17,950 --> 00:53:16,700 Washington DC Alaska for the missing on 1168 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:17,960 the Alaska which I do for the History 1169 00:53:22,299 --> 00:53:19,970 Channel there's all of these chapters 1170 00:53:24,490 --> 00:53:22,309 look at Washington DC specifically 1171 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:24,500 Washington DC because I'm here it's my 1172 00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:27,170 basis of analysis I live four blocks 1173 00:53:31,779 --> 00:53:29,150 from the White House eleven blocks from 1174 00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:31,789 the US Capitol building look at the 1175 00:53:35,770 --> 00:53:33,950 samples I'm getting above my home on a 1176 00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:35,780 nightly basis 1177 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:37,640 all right they're consistent whips 1178 00:53:43,390 --> 00:53:40,730 they're consistent with area 51 okay 1179 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:43,400 there's a question in regards to your 1180 00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:46,010 implant why do you believe it is 1181 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:48,110 attached to your central nervous system 1182 00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:50,690 and what do you believe the implant 1183 00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:56,510 actually does it's in side my head and 1184 00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,800 it works as a transponder sends and 1185 00:54:05,010 --> 00:54:02,720 receives signals obviously I mean they 1186 00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:05,020 know where I am I know where they are 1187 00:54:09,490 --> 00:54:07,400 they're able to tell me how to film it 1188 00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:09,500 and I'm able to film it as they tell me 1189 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:12,590 to and another question up there is how 1190 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:15,290 do you know that it's extraterrestrial 1191 00:54:22,090 --> 00:54:19,850 and what about other dimensions we don't 1192 00:54:24,490 --> 00:54:22,100 know that but the samples that I'm able 1193 00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:24,500 to document based on NASA footage 1194 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:27,970 clearly shows it's extraterrestrial Oh 1195 00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,530 on NASA footage you're saying exactly 1196 00:54:35,770 --> 00:54:32,720 I'm using that as the basis of analysis 1197 00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,780 and that's the footage in the 1990s and 1198 00:54:40,330 --> 00:54:37,520 the footage that I'm getting today are 1199 00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:40,340 clearly consistent with the with the 1200 00:54:44,050 --> 00:54:41,900 exception the footage I'm getting today 1201 00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:44,060 is higher resolution and much better 1202 00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:54,260 quality I'm probably gonna run the show 1203 00:55:00,910 --> 00:54:57,740 just just over an hour tonight just be 1204 00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:00,920 I'm really sorry the listener and as you 1205 00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:03,440 as well because I'm just really not 1206 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:06,190 sounding very well yeah doing too well 1207 00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:09,050 another question up there do you have an 1208 00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:13,310 x-ray showing this implant they were not 1209 00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:15,950 able to find it in the 1960s the 1210 00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,040 technology was not that evolved and what 1211 00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:21,920 x-rays were taken are in my US military 1212 00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:26,420 medical records what about dr. Lear dr. 1213 00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:30,950 Lear I did not give him the authority to 1214 00:55:36,010 --> 00:55:33,800 do any research at all on my work other 1215 00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:36,020 than he knew it was there I don't know 1216 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:36,860 what happened to it 1217 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:41,450 with what I did with dr. Lear okay they 1218 00:55:46,580 --> 00:55:43,130 wanted to remove it that was not going 1219 00:55:52,110 --> 00:55:49,850 okay all right 1220 00:55:55,050 --> 00:55:52,120 now you have a book do you want to talk 1221 00:55:57,870 --> 00:55:55,060 about that I've got a book called UFO 1222 00:56:01,380 --> 00:55:57,880 Forensic Files and it's basically based 1223 00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:01,390 on my 2002 encounter and it's it's kind 1224 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:03,190 of dated information per se but the 1225 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:05,710 theory inside was I concluded that 1226 00:56:11,310 --> 00:56:08,850 whatever it was I put her out in 2002 1227 00:56:14,430 --> 00:56:11,320 ventured and exited through a wormhole 1228 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:14,440 which it did and basically now with the 1229 00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:16,090 level of technology and research that I 1230 00:56:20,610 --> 00:56:18,430 do have now and with the documentation 1231 00:56:24,690 --> 00:56:20,620 for NASA it clearly indicates that I was 1232 00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:24,700 correct my sample in 2002 by the way 1233 00:56:29,340 --> 00:56:27,340 negates the laws of light motion it 1234 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:29,350 showed three green objects I'm sorry 1235 00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:31,690 four green objects moving and lateral 1236 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:34,420 and upwards motion but its lateral 1237 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:37,930 energy signatures blue not green that 1238 00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:39,610 negates the laws of light motion that's 1239 00:56:42,090 --> 00:56:40,300 impossible 1240 00:56:44,670 --> 00:56:42,100 those four objects should be leaving 1241 00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:44,680 both energy signatures in both 1242 00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:47,110 directions are green but that wasn't the 1243 00:56:59,760 --> 00:56:54,580 case now what do you think would happen 1244 00:57:01,830 --> 00:56:59,770 if there was like an encounter or let's 1245 00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:01,840 say I'm not going to say disclosure like 1246 00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,250 government disclosure because I don't 1247 00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:04,480 really think that's going to happen but 1248 00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:07,630 let's just say that how do you think 1249 00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:11,860 society would react now compared to even 1250 00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:15,220 ten years ago if well forget what's 1251 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:18,630 happening right now right now 1252 00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:22,570 Independence Day is about to come out of 1253 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:25,510 the second these lenders of the galaxies 1254 00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:32,050 came out all these other sci-fi films 1255 00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:36,100 dealing with extraterrestrials with Iron 1256 00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:38,710 Man one of those um I forgot the 1257 00:57:44,820 --> 00:57:41,590 Avengers I mean it's all there they're 1258 00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:44,830 they're getting you ready Star Wars it's 1259 00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:50,460 we're being indoctrinated into what's 1260 00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:53,140 about to hit the fan and and I'm telling 1261 00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:55,510 you four blocks from the White House the 1262 00:58:00,049 --> 00:57:58,570 White House opinion is there is no et or 1263 00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,059 et cover-up 1264 00:58:05,809 --> 00:58:02,339 but yet four blocks away which I'm four 1265 00:58:08,509 --> 00:58:05,819 blocks where my data pool is it says 1266 00:58:10,939 --> 00:58:08,519 there is et now who do you believe the 1267 00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:10,949 politician that's voted in the office or 1268 00:58:17,989 --> 00:58:15,900 the data coming off of my cameras all 1269 00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:17,999 right well I think I'm gonna have to 1270 00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:20,579 call this a night and thank you for 1271 00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:23,209 having me I hope you feel better 1272 00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:25,680 thanks and you have another show you're 1273 00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,209 on coast to coast this evening so I 1274 00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:28,920 won't push to go to George Noory at